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Daichi Yamato
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Posted - 2016.02.12 19:15:02 -
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Aiwha wrote:Subotai Khan wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:adding a base 33% hull resistance to ships by default.
Why add base hull resistance, and not raw hull HP instead? Damage controls give resists, so CCP is just moving it from the module to the hull itself. If you just gave a raw 33% hp buff to hull, then adding a DCU on top of that would multiply it again. EDIT: Tippia, I'm not seeing any argument from you other than assuring us that despite your lack of activity in EVE, you're totally "with it" and know that freighter gankers are desperately in need of help. Whereas kills would seem to indicate that there is no shortage of multibillion isk freighter kills. I think we're just seeing the **** poor gankers complaining here, while the competent ones are already calculating exactly how many catalysts they need to hit buffed freighters. (while also hitting freighters AS WE SHITPOST) CODE slapped one earlier tonght, 70m isk in catalysts for a 3b isk freighter.
Compared to the amount of freighters that are flown each day, the amount that are ganked is shockingly low. Less than 0.01% low from what we can gather. Giving them 33% hull resists is hardly on the same level as the wreck hp change.
Freighters really dont need the buff.
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Posted - 2016.02.12 21:11:33 -
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As for making DCU 's less mandatory, the DCU still provides better armour resists than a third EANM and is the only module to add resists to shield and the hull bonus is still pretty huge. The only ships i can see not using DCU 's are ships that didnt use them before.
Making them passive is apparently how they were always meant to be, but maybe they need nerfed harder.
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Posted - 2016.02.13 00:57:52 -
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Could nerf freighter structure hp by 33%. Or slightly less if you feel it balances with the wreck hp change.
edit-wreck not structure
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Posted - 2016.02.13 01:28:36 -
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yeah i derped.
But if freighters dont get the resist buff, some point down the line it begs a million threads in the way of 'why dont freighters have the same resists as other ships.' So get around that by nerfing freighter HP at the same time.
Assuming CCP dont want to buff freighter tanks *fingers crossed*
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Posted - 2016.02.13 18:00:16 -
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'get more friends' doesn't have the same impact when you're talking about one of the last groups in hi-sec even capable of freighter ganking compared to telling you to bring one friend to web your freighter or help you gank a wreck.
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Posted - 2016.02.13 20:03:18 -
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Ylmar wrote:baltec1 wrote:Its already been shown that the chances of being ganked in a freighter or jump freighter stands at less than 0.1% out of over 2 million jumps. You keep repeating that. It has not been shown. You don't even have access to the data required to potentially show it. Red Frog Freight statistics do not become representative for all of New Eden simply by you repeating them over and over again.
On the contrary, they are a pretty good and representative sample.
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Posted - 2016.02.13 20:22:13 -
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They didn't actually say there was a problem and no other data is forth coming. But it would be simply idiotic to discount the data from the industry leader concerning thousands of jobs over millions of jumps.
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Posted - 2016.02.13 21:16:30 -
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Except red frog pilots are outsourced. They are freighter pilots like you and me. Not trained professionals lol.
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Posted - 2016.02.13 21:31:50 -
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Lena Lazair wrote:Arguing that if everyone flew like RFF then everyone would enjoy the CURRENT RFF risk % is a non-starter.
Its actually the difference between:
- Ganking is not a problem. If people weren't dumb and/or lazy, they'd have a 99.9% success rate.
- Ganking is a problem. Even when making effort to reduce their risk, they still lose a freighter in 1/1000 times.
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Posted - 2016.02.14 03:16:29 -
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KickAss Tivianne wrote:
The additional buff will make gankers select targets more selectively. Ganking empty freighters won't be done because "we are bored and want to blow something up for the LOLs". It will take more ships or more expensive ships to gank it. SO the risk for minimal reward is reached. A silly empty autopilot freighter may not be targeted. gankers will wait for more selective targets. That way the total number of ganks go down. But, the value of each gank goes up. Kinda the Eve way right?
Not just silly empty autopilot freighters, but all freighters will be targeted less, full afk freighters included.
Freighter pilots who evaded ganking through webs, alternate routes, scouting etc have little or nothing to gain from freighters becoming tougher because they were rarely targeted in the first place (i have 3 freighter pilots and a bowhead and after playing the game for over half a decade, no one has taken so much as a pot shot at them). The main beneficiaries of the change are the lazy and dumb, and that will push down the prices that would normally be enjoyed by smarter haulers who used the available tools.
How on earth you could be for that kind of change at this stage i just don't know.
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Posted - 2016.02.14 13:34:26 -
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@crackforbreakfast
The freighter losses in those systems is stupidly low compared to how many freighters actually pass through those systems. Even afk freighters have a good chance of passing through the system safely.
@armyofme
No, you dont have to pass through them. You can trade at any station. You choose to take on the risk because you want the reward of trading at a particular hub. You dont actually have a right to get to and from jita.
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Posted - 2016.02.14 15:53:52 -
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ArmyOfMe wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:ArmyOfMe wrote:
Or as the gankers keep saying, just bring more ppl.
Rather a difference between "bring one guy with webs and you're perfectly safe" and "Instead of thirty, now you have to bring forty five." One is reasonable, the other is an obviously broken change. 1) If you get bumped then that webber wont do anything. 2) in ganking threads ive seen gankers suggest that the freighter pilots bring  Web ship Commandship with links Someone to gank the bumper Enough logis to keep the freighter alive (considering the cycle time on reps, that would mean quite a lot of logis) Enough ships to kill off the gankers as soon as they get flagged. I dunno about you and your math, but to me that comes down to a heck of a lot more then just freighter pilot + webber.
No one said you had to do all at once. And to be fair plenty of freighters make it through gank systems without doing any. Thats quite different to adding to the minimum amount of work to carry out a gank.
You've made it clear you're bitter against gankers for what they do. That's what id call a carebear.
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Posted - 2016.02.14 17:25:14 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Now a quick note on suicide ganking and the impact that these changes will have.
We view ganking as one of many normal game systems that needs tweaking and balancing from time to time. Changes to the balance around ganking doesn't mean we have any intentions on removing it (if we wanted to do that, we easily could through direct methods).
In a lot of ways, keeping balance in this system is much like park rangers maintaining balance between wolf and elk populations. We keep an eye on how the whole ecosystem is developing and make tweaks as nessesary. Sometimes we might protect the corpses of dead elk from vultures so the wolves can feed in peace. Sometimes we might put some light body armor on the elk so that the wolves need to pick their targets more carefully. And I think I've officially taken this analogy too far.
You gankers are a clever bunch and we have no doubt that you'll adapt and do just fine. Our previous changes didn't kill ganking, these changes won't kill ganking and our future changes won't kill ganking either.
We're going to keep making changes that we believe benefit the game as a whole, which needs to remain healthy for both sides of this debate to thrive.
Despite the obvious 'drat' that comes with this, it's still good to get up-to-date thoughts from CCP on the matter.
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Posted - 2016.02.14 17:40:58 -
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Lucas, you dont seem to realise the webber can get closer to the freighter while the freighter is still cloaked. I do that with an astero to get a freighter into warp in one or two seconds after breaking cloak.
Since a sebo'd ship is easy for a scout to spot, you can decide whether you want to jump the freighter into system at all or whether you fancy your chances.
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Posted - 2016.02.15 14:57:53 -
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Fredric Wolf wrote:
What if, and this is a large what if. CCP was to expand on Faction warfare to include pirates and police? by choosing to join a pirate faction you are granted some breaks in hi sec while also incurring drawbacks. This would also go for the people joining the police side.
That really depends how it works and what breaks criminals would benefit from.
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Posted - 2016.02.15 18:15:55 -
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tasman devil wrote:
hmm this one I can approve
(also: gankers got ganked here and crying like victims ... [oh the irony!])
much salt
very tears
such lols
Not just gankers, but freighter pilots who aren't dumb and lazy are losing out with this change.
That seems to be going over the heads of most bears though.
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Posted - 2016.02.15 19:18:44 -
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Ms Michigan wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:I guess gankers will just have to come up with more bros and higher DPS fits.
I pity those capitol ship producers who will have to take a price cut when the supply/demand causes Freighter prices to drop. They are the real victims here. Only regular freighter prices and capital ship prices should drop by your logic. Good point. However, I doubt it will be a lot. Maybe 10% is my guess. If it is more, so be it. I don't see a problem with this. Freighters prices are already much higher than they have traditionally been. Cap ship prices should come down imho as carriers, FAX's, and Dreads will see much more action (loss?) with the cap ship changes coming. Overall your point is a good point (not a bad one as you paint it) because the cost of replacement for those cap ships will need to come down to compensate for the losses on the battlefield. As more players move into cap ships also with the Skill Injector changes and as EVE ages this will be good too. Cap ships are their own developing class of ships with infighting now and this will bring some neat cap ship battles which is again, good for the game and EVE and players. More variety is better. More gud fights are better.
You should look at the margin on freighters. Their price increase was from minerals.
Why should good haulers and other industrialists like myself lose out at all?
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Posted - 2016.02.15 19:47:50 -
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Ms Michigan wrote:Daichi Yamato wrote:Ms Michigan wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:I guess gankers will just have to come up with more bros and higher DPS fits.
I pity those capitol ship producers who will have to take a price cut when the supply/demand causes Freighter prices to drop. They are the real victims here. Only regular freighter prices and capital ship prices should drop by your logic. Good point. However, I doubt it will be a lot. Maybe 10% is my guess. If it is more, so be it. I don't see a problem with this. Freighters prices are already much higher than they have traditionally been. Cap ship prices should come down imho as carriers, FAX's, and Dreads will see much more action (loss?) with the cap ship changes coming. Overall your point is a good point (not a bad one as you paint it) because the cost of replacement for those cap ships will need to come down to compensate for the losses on the battlefield. As more players move into cap ships also with the Skill Injector changes and as EVE ages this will be good too. Cap ships are their own developing class of ships with infighting now and this will bring some neat cap ship battles which is again, good for the game and EVE and players. More variety is better. More gud fights are better. You should look at the margin on freighters. Their price increase was from minerals. Why should good haulers and other industrialists like myself lose out at all? Yeah, I thought someone might say that. However, as was mentioned before though. As mineral moving and hisec mining becomes a tad safer, this will directly effect the prices you are referring to as those mineral prices drop. So it is a neutral sum and the point you made will probably be invalidated. Let me state for the record though, I am not saying you should have a smaller profit margin than what is traditionally been given on freighter/cap ship building. Plus, again, cap ships will probably be dying more with the Cap ship changes so there is room to make profit there. Just that prices on cap ships like freighters and cap ships will drop probably a tad with these changes may be a valid point.
wow you really have no clue.
Not only will freighter prices drop from lower demand, but if mineral prices also drop, freighter prices will suffer again because their mineral cost is the only thing keeping them up at this point. You just said yourself, they used to be cheaper. You have to bulk build them at a POS to get any decent margin out of them.
And seeing as the people making freighters in hi-sec are not the same people making carriers and dreads in low sec, then no, there wont be room to make profit there, its a very different industry.
There was plenty of ways already to haul and mine very safely and earn isk. Making the game even safer than now chips away at the margins of industrialists and overwhelmingly favours the dumb and lazy.
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Posted - 2016.02.15 20:27:46 -
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Ms Michigan wrote:
If mineral prices drop your costs to BUILD drop. How is that not proven? Then, and IF it happens, the volume demand for freighters drops (which I think it will about 10+%) prices will fall but your cost to build will have too. So yeah, you will have to bulk build to get profit, I get that. But that is always how freighters were. Look at it this way too. Maybe demand will go up because freighters are safer. As more people start hauling again because they don't worry about gankers! Ever think of that one?
Right, because hauling is so dangerous now that few people do it...oh wait. Hundreds if not thousands of freighters are passing through just one system each day and they are so terrified by the risks that the majority of them are on auto-pilot
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Without more demand (which their wont be), the price of freighters will come down pretty much proportionally with mineral prices. In layman's terms, my costs goes down, but my revenue comes down just as much and my profits don't do ****. With less demand (which their could be), the price of freighters will come down, but my costs stay the same and my profits fall.
Ms Michigan wrote:
You say it favors the dumb and lazy. I say it favors the players looking to branch out (cheaper ship prices and price of entry) and helps the economy as goods get moved more. Places like Derelik may see goods moved out there as people can move them a tad safer from Jita etc. Demand goes up. You are completely neglecting that possibility.
If mineral prices drop, miners get paid less, not more. If demand drops, ship builders get paid less, not more.
Who benefits from cheaper ships? oh yeah mission runners...the least attacked player base in the game \o/.
Ms Michigan wrote:
Diversify! Make cap ships. Sell your BPOs and build something else. I have had to change my industry tactics before. I didn't cry and whine all over the EVE-O Forums. Adapt. I get what you are saying although I think you are focusing on one tiny segment that MAY drop. Change your play. Move to null. Make even more profit and (heaven forbid) friends there. Build freighters there for more profit margin (because the minerals are amazing and the stations have lower costs) and then import with FRIENDS helping you move them. Quit solo playing at a POS in hi-sec. CCP made all these industry building changes months ago to move people out of hi-sec on purpose so that it WAS hard to make a profit building there.
Again, hi-sec mining and moving have nothing to do with your desire for completely safe and cheap profit margins in hi-sec freighter building. Build them in null or low and quit crying as I just gave you your solution.
Lol, he says knowing nothing about me or the groups i'm with. The irony of saying im the one seeking complete safety and should quit trying to play solo after you said EVE should have solo safe activities. I'm aware i can adapt. We all know it wouldn't be the first time. Ive accepted CCP want to make this change, but that doesn't mean i have to let you spout total BS.
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Posted - 2016.02.15 21:13:17 -
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@ Ms Michigan
I never said i work solo, or in low or null. I dont know what you're talking about in that regard. I said, you have to bulk build them from a POS to get any decent margin out of them and that the capital industry is in low/null.
You've mistaken my replies to you as pleas to CCP to not go through with the change. I did that twenty or so pages ago. My replies to you were to debunk your posts and educate you. And of course ask why you think bad haulers should benefit at the expense of good haulers.
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Posted - 2016.02.15 23:55:15 -
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helana Tsero wrote:Morrigan LeSante wrote:I'll be honest, if you can't see why this is unhealthy for the economy I really don't know what to tell you. More freightors make it to market = more supply to markets. More supply = cheaper ships. Cheaper ships = more people can afford to use more ships in pvp = more explosions. More freightors make to to market = greator profits for corps. If corps are pvp corps that SRP then corp can afford to replace members PvP losses. More corp funds = more content for members = members enjoy eve more and dont unsub. Sounds horrible.
You mean more wealth to top-down income systems?
Mission accomplished...
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Posted - 2016.02.16 15:13:23 -
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Players have stopped bumping and they have stopped ganks. They'd find it much easier if they put half as much effort and organisation into it as the gankers.
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Posted - 2016.02.17 14:27:49 -
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Just an FYI baltec, but a 'refuge' anm provides 15.36% resists for no cpu cost and is usually cheaper on the market too.
At least until tieracide i guess...
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Posted - 2016.02.22 00:59:01 -
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It wouldnt make sense to have every ship but freighters gain structure resists, can you imagine the whine threads? CCP just aren't nerfing freighter HP to compensate.
Sucks i know.
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Posted - 2016.02.23 04:13:52 -
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Ylmar wrote:baltec1 wrote:I don't care how hard you try I'm not going to chase you down this shitposting road AG always tries. Don't worry, I am not trying hard at all. I welcome any rebalance that better protects defenseless ships from gankers. Obviously you and other gankers call this "shitposting". So what, nobody cares. 
Yup. Carebears would set themselves on fire if they thought it would hurt gankers.
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Posted - 2016.02.23 21:51:55 -
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Crackforbreakfast wrote:Using a data set which is not valid in regards as to what is in question is beyond stupid, furthermore it has been explained multiple times why RFF is able to keep their ganks down, for example the 1Bil collateral. You can keep on rambling about your RFF data.
Zkill is showing the following: The majority of high-sec freighter kills happen in the pipes, that is what can be concluded from the data at hand. The fact that these systems are camped during high times of activity makes the chance RELATIVELY high to get ganked in a freighter. Especially since the costs of ganking one are so low.
Have fun keyboard warrioring in this thread regardless, and props to CCP for this re-balance.
So after all that, you're just saying that you are more likely to be ganked in uedama and niarja at times gankers are active than the rest of hi-sec? Well no ****. Another incredible contribution by an anti-ganker.
If only there was a way to not travel in those systems whilst not afk...
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Posted - 2016.02.26 20:51:45 -
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That would depend on your player skill, aversion to risk, time available and char abilities.
Hauling can be done such that you'd make more than say running missions. It may be riskier however. So its something having more player skill or less aversion to risk allows you to do.
These changes hurt the ability to have that competitive edge over less able or more risk averse players.
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Posted - 2016.03.07 04:34:30 -
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Sobaan Tali wrote:Ford Fugger wrote:Will rats have the base hull resists too? I suspect not. There's no reason to buff them in this manner. Their modules do not behave like the ones we players use for one thing and no NPC that I've ever seen has structure resist above 0%, meaning if they had DCU's they never seem to use them. Ergo they don't seem to use them because they don't have DCU's. I don't even think they have hardeners as their resist tables never change under any circumstances once spawned. For another thing, this is a move to balancing a module we players use. Buffing rat structure resist would be a general PVE nerf and has nothing to do with CCP's objectives with module tiericide.
You mean like freighters and ganking? Hmm
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